It was polarization

Tested the new 6m Vertical compared to the 160m Inv L that I have been using on 6m and found that the TX to RIP was way lower on the new 1/4 vert then the 160m Inv L.

Conclusion was RIP is Horizontal Polarization and my TX being a 1/4 Vertical was Vertical.  I always thought that the 160m Inv L was Vertically  polarized ....apparently its more horizontal!

So I through up a quick dipole beside the 160m Inv L .   Did 3 transmissions on the Inv L then 3 on the Dipole ,  results below.

First 3 is RIP RX on the 160m inv L,   9
Second 3 RIP is RX on the  new Dipole, 11

So it looks like the dipole is 2 db better then the inv V on TX to RIP